they can elect you. >> steve: is calling mitt romney and ryan a good strategy. here to weigh in is washington insider amelia and democrat pollster marjorie. good morning to both of you. >> margey. it does sound like according to the new york times, 10 minutes before the end of the debate they were on a conference call talking about he stunk up the place. we'll have to go full steam ahead on a new attack and that is going to be romney is a liar. >> any time you hear mitt romney express different position than the day before it is for voters to know. we would be talking about mitt romney's loose interpretation of the facts regardless of what the people thought of the pet's performance. his own campaign walked back what romney said about covering people with preexisting conditions in the healthcare plan. >> marjorie wasn't the president lying when he repeatedly said mitt romney would raise taxes five trillion dollars. it will not be near five trillion wasn't that a lie. >> no it is not a lie because romney will not talk about the loop holes. he refuses to walk through the math.